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		<title>Comment on Real world data mining example - RecruitingBlogs.com by brandstorming</title>
		<link>http://www.idonato.com/2008/03/26/real-world-data-mining-example-recruitingblogscom/#comment-2415</link>
		<dc:creator>brandstorming</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 May 2008 05:00:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Playing With Data Mining And Recruiting Blogs...&lt;/strong&gt;

One of the keys to success in marketing is taking experiences from other industries and applying them to your clients. In the last two years, my success in internet marketing, specifically in social media, can be shown in many ways...</description>
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<p>One of the keys to success in marketing is taking experiences from other industries and applying them to your clients. In the last two years, my success in internet marketing, specifically in social media, can be shown in many ways&#8230;</p>
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		<title>Comment on Real world data mining example - RecruitingBlogs.com by gutmach</title>
		<link>http://www.idonato.com/2008/03/26/real-world-data-mining-example-recruitingblogscom/#comment-2411</link>
		<dc:creator>gutmach</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Apr 2008 13:36:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This was well done.  Glad you figured out a way to condense the capsuling time.  Yes, this reveals Eclipse's power for those with some vision, but next time, do it a little differently and then even people without a creative imagination will get the value of the product:

1) pick a site with a list that includes emails and phones and show how those fields get auto-parsed

2) or pick a source list that goes deep into lots of names from one or a handful of companies, and then apply an Excel formula that auto-generates the email addresses based on the company email format (bonus: also streamline the inclusion of the right local office phone # (assuming the geographies of the people are evident from the capsules) which can merely be from using a tool like Argali.com in combination with Eclipse and then a simple copy/paste down the Excel column after sorting records by location.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><span class='eg-image' style='float:right; margin-left:10px; display:block; width:80px' ><img src='http://www.gravatar.com/avatar.php?gravatar_id=8fc82104c7f6d33ed9a55ecf79b89349&amp;size=80&amp;rating=G&amp;default=http%3A%2F%2Fuse.perl.org%2Fimages%2Fpix.gif' width='80' height='80' alt='' /></span>This was well done.  Glad you figured out a way to condense the capsuling time.  Yes, this reveals Eclipse&#8217;s power for those with some vision, but next time, do it a little differently and then even people without a creative imagination will get the value of the product:</p>
<p>1) pick a site with a list that includes emails and phones and show how those fields get auto-parsed</p>
<p>2) or pick a source list that goes deep into lots of names from one or a handful of companies, and then apply an Excel formula that auto-generates the email addresses based on the company email format (bonus: also streamline the inclusion of the right local office phone # (assuming the geographies of the people are evident from the capsules) which can merely be from using a tool like Argali.com in combination with Eclipse and then a simple copy/paste down the Excel column after sorting records by location.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Who is responsible for validation in a sourced list? by gutmach</title>
		<link>http://www.idonato.com/2008/03/24/who-is-responsible-for-validation-in-a-sourced-list/#comment-2410</link>
		<dc:creator>gutmach</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Apr 2008 13:21:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I couldn't agree more, but you're leaving out one key step -- actually, the next step in this process, so doesn't take away from anything said up to here -- to insure that the validated leads are acted upon.  Make the status transparent:  the system should allow anyone to see which and how many assigned leads were picked up, and what they did with them, as well as something showing which recruiters pick up the most unassigned high validation value leads and do something with them.  Of course, this may cause more embarrassment than anything else, but if carrot incentives don't work, embarrassment is an effective stick sometimes!  If you don't want to go that transparent, at least have a system that allows managers to run reports of apples-to-apples comparisons so they can see who's performing and who's not.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><span class='eg-image' style='float:right; margin-left:10px; display:block; width:80px' ><img src='http://www.gravatar.com/avatar.php?gravatar_id=8fc82104c7f6d33ed9a55ecf79b89349&amp;size=80&amp;rating=G&amp;default=http%3A%2F%2Fuse.perl.org%2Fimages%2Fpix.gif' width='80' height='80' alt='' /></span>I couldn&#8217;t agree more, but you&#8217;re leaving out one key step &#8212; actually, the next step in this process, so doesn&#8217;t take away from anything said up to here &#8212; to insure that the validated leads are acted upon.  Make the status transparent:  the system should allow anyone to see which and how many assigned leads were picked up, and what they did with them, as well as something showing which recruiters pick up the most unassigned high validation value leads and do something with them.  Of course, this may cause more embarrassment than anything else, but if carrot incentives don&#8217;t work, embarrassment is an effective stick sometimes!  If you don&#8217;t want to go that transparent, at least have a system that allows managers to run reports of apples-to-apples comparisons so they can see who&#8217;s performing and who&#8217;s not.</p>
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		<title>Comment on 2008: A deeper fracture between recruiting and sourcing by SourceCon</title>
		<link>http://www.idonato.com/2008/04/10/2008-a-deeper-fracture-between-recruiting-and-sourcing/#comment-2406</link>
		<dc:creator>SourceCon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Apr 2008 21:47:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Donato, nice post as usual. Thought I should point out that link to SourceCon Conference you provided is wrong and if people want to correctly reference the event then

www.thesourcingconference.com

I am sure you would not want us listing you on our site as Broodlook now.

SC</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><span class='eg-image' style='float:right; margin-left:10px; display:block; width:80px' ><img src='http://www.gravatar.com/avatar.php?gravatar_id=70fa6d2b009e9d4591b6bebeeebbd1cc&amp;size=80&amp;rating=G&amp;default=http%3A%2F%2Fuse.perl.org%2Fimages%2Fpix.gif' width='80' height='80' alt='' /></span>Donato, nice post as usual. Thought I should point out that link to SourceCon Conference you provided is wrong and if people want to correctly reference the event then</p>
<p><a href="http://www.thesourcingconference.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.thesourcingconference.com</a></p>
<p>I am sure you would not want us listing you on our site as Broodlook now.</p>
<p>SC</p>
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		<title>Comment on 2008: A deeper fracture between recruiting and sourcing by infosourcer</title>
		<link>http://www.idonato.com/2008/04/10/2008-a-deeper-fracture-between-recruiting-and-sourcing/#comment-2405</link>
		<dc:creator>infosourcer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Apr 2008 16:56:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Donato- SourceCon's website is http://www.thesourcingconference.com/ - just a heads up</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><span class='eg-image' style='float:right; margin-left:10px; display:block; width:80px' ><img src='http://www.gravatar.com/avatar.php?gravatar_id=0f47bcb1b3ce88dc6e1e9a86118aad5e&amp;size=80&amp;rating=G&amp;default=http%3A%2F%2Fuse.perl.org%2Fimages%2Fpix.gif' width='80' height='80' alt='' /></span>Hey Donato- SourceCon&#8217;s website is <a href="http://www.thesourcingconference.com/" rel="nofollow">http://www.thesourcingconference.com/</a> - just a heads up</p>
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		<title>Comment on Real world data mining example - RecruitingBlogs.com by Amitai Givertz</title>
		<link>http://www.idonato.com/2008/03/26/real-world-data-mining-example-recruitingblogscom/#comment-1497</link>
		<dc:creator>Amitai Givertz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Apr 2008 20:54:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Very interesting, great demo.

Of course, your deleting the spreadsheet at the was the icing on the cake! That was funny.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><span class='eg-image' style='float:right; margin-left:10px; display:block; width:80px' ><a rel='external nofollow' href='http://amitaigivertz.com'><img src='http://www.gravatar.com/avatar.php?gravatar_id=43c3fe6b52188d0aa9f4da4f9d2238dc&amp;size=80&amp;rating=G&amp;default=http%3A%2F%2Fuse.perl.org%2Fimages%2Fpix.gif' width='80' height='80' alt='' /></a></span>Very interesting, great demo.</p>
<p>Of course, your deleting the spreadsheet at the was the icing on the cake! That was funny.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Real world data mining example - RecruitingBlogs.com by jtsloan</title>
		<link>http://www.idonato.com/2008/03/26/real-world-data-mining-example-recruitingblogscom/#comment-396</link>
		<dc:creator>jtsloan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Mar 2008 00:02:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>bad @ss Donato...I can't wait to drive diver with Dave Copps PD! I think I saw eclipse first a while back and read Russ Moon was using it. I am looking forward to Pete B. and myself giving this a try in a couple of weeks! Enjoy ERE and hope to see you at sourcecon.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><span class='eg-image' style='float:right; margin-left:10px; display:block; width:80px' ><img src='http://www.gravatar.com/avatar.php?gravatar_id=fea69cc926c8fc64ccab8f3846af95bc&amp;size=80&amp;rating=G&amp;default=http%3A%2F%2Fuse.perl.org%2Fimages%2Fpix.gif' width='80' height='80' alt='' /></span>bad @ss Donato&#8230;I can&#8217;t wait to drive diver with Dave Copps PD! I think I saw eclipse first a while back and read Russ Moon was using it. I am looking forward to Pete B. and myself giving this a try in a couple of weeks! Enjoy ERE and hope to see you at sourcecon.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Creating a custom search engine (CSE) with Google coop by custom crm solution</title>
		<link>http://www.idonato.com/2008/01/08/creating-a-custom-search-engine-cse-with-google-coop/#comment-392</link>
		<dc:creator>custom crm solution</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Mar 2008 01:06:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;custom crm solution&lt;/strong&gt;

Didn't realise there was this type of information out there</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>custom crm solution</strong></p>
<p>Didn&#8217;t realise there was this type of information out there</p>
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		<title>Comment on List Metrics; how to measure quality in a list? by RobMcIntosh</title>
		<link>http://www.idonato.com/2008/03/16/list-metrics-how-to-measure-quality-in-a-list/#comment-389</link>
		<dc:creator>RobMcIntosh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Mar 2008 14:19:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Donato - Nice post and the first time I have really seen someone take the time to think through the elements that impact list quality….Well Done~!

The point you make on list validation resonates the most with me the most and this is also the area that causes the greatest problems in a recruiting/sourcing organization. At a conference about 6months ago, I asked a very pointed question around who actually owns list validation.
(Definition: Confirming that the name/lead is current and valid with company or contact details). I had to ask the question twice given most people seemed to not quite understand the problem:

“Who owns list validation?.....The originating Researcher/Vendor or the Sourcer/Recruiter?  No one had a definitive answer as they felt it was the other person’s responsibility/problem.

So here in lies the main problem that most external vendors and internal research/sourcing organizations face when creating acquiring lists. 

I have seen fist hand internet guru’s produce hundred’s of names only to find that no one ever called those names…..Why? Are they to blame or is the Sourcer/Recruiter to blame? Were their lists crap (outdated or wrong) or was the Sourcer/Recruiter to afraid to make a targeted cold call so the leads died on the vine?

When digging deeper on the reason, the major issue that keeps popping up time and time again is the validity of the names, specifically as it comes to being relevant with current contact details or no longer at the company where the researcher found the lead.

When I spoke with the Researchers/Vendors (the people that find the leads) they said it was not their problem as they found the names that the Sourcer/Recruiter/Customer requested, so they felt their job had been done…..It was not their job to call the leads. 

The Sourcer/Recruiter/Customer felt it was not their job to spend their time validating the large amount of leads that the researchers had produced for them....But rather, they wanted to be on the phone calling leads trying to flip them into contacts and ultimately candidates vs. wasting time trying to track down the latest contact details.

So regardless of the he said, she said finger pointing exercise that ensues, where the researcher felt their job is to ID’d leads and the Sourcer/Recruiters job is to call leads, someone needs to validate the leads otherwise the whole process breaks down with strained relationships between the two parties (or in the case of a vendor, no repeat business) and the countless lost productivity and $$$’s.

I think I have cracked the code on this one now but a day does not go by where I am constantly reminded with situations I see in the industry of sourcing functions or recruiting organizations, thinking that lists = a pot of gold (bazillions of hires). What they soon come to realize is that a list is just the starting point on a complex recruiting/sourcing journey and will require many frogs to be kissed before the find their prince (that was the best analogy I could think up on the spur of the moment :-). 

Rob</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><span class='eg-image' style='float:right; margin-left:10px; display:block; width:80px' ><img src='http://www.gravatar.com/avatar.php?gravatar_id=4ae0b53e2ea6c579c9a29279644497f4&amp;size=80&amp;rating=G&amp;default=http%3A%2F%2Fuse.perl.org%2Fimages%2Fpix.gif' width='80' height='80' alt='' /></span>Donato - Nice post and the first time I have really seen someone take the time to think through the elements that impact list quality….Well Done~!</p>
<p>The point you make on list validation resonates the most with me the most and this is also the area that causes the greatest problems in a recruiting/sourcing organization. At a conference about 6months ago, I asked a very pointed question around who actually owns list validation.<br />
(Definition: Confirming that the name/lead is current and valid with company or contact details). I had to ask the question twice given most people seemed to not quite understand the problem:</p>
<p>“Who owns list validation?&#8230;..The originating Researcher/Vendor or the Sourcer/Recruiter?  No one had a definitive answer as they felt it was the other person’s responsibility/problem.</p>
<p>So here in lies the main problem that most external vendors and internal research/sourcing organizations face when creating acquiring lists. </p>
<p>I have seen fist hand internet guru’s produce hundred’s of names only to find that no one ever called those names…..Why? Are they to blame or is the Sourcer/Recruiter to blame? Were their lists crap (outdated or wrong) or was the Sourcer/Recruiter to afraid to make a targeted cold call so the leads died on the vine?</p>
<p>When digging deeper on the reason, the major issue that keeps popping up time and time again is the validity of the names, specifically as it comes to being relevant with current contact details or no longer at the company where the researcher found the lead.</p>
<p>When I spoke with the Researchers/Vendors (the people that find the leads) they said it was not their problem as they found the names that the Sourcer/Recruiter/Customer requested, so they felt their job had been done…..It was not their job to call the leads. </p>
<p>The Sourcer/Recruiter/Customer felt it was not their job to spend their time validating the large amount of leads that the researchers had produced for them&#8230;.But rather, they wanted to be on the phone calling leads trying to flip them into contacts and ultimately candidates vs. wasting time trying to track down the latest contact details.</p>
<p>So regardless of the he said, she said finger pointing exercise that ensues, where the researcher felt their job is to ID’d leads and the Sourcer/Recruiters job is to call leads, someone needs to validate the leads otherwise the whole process breaks down with strained relationships between the two parties (or in the case of a vendor, no repeat business) and the countless lost productivity and $$$’s.</p>
<p>I think I have cracked the code on this one now but a day does not go by where I am constantly reminded with situations I see in the industry of sourcing functions or recruiting organizations, thinking that lists = a pot of gold (bazillions of hires). What they soon come to realize is that a list is just the starting point on a complex recruiting/sourcing journey and will require many frogs to be kissed before the find their prince (that was the best analogy I could think up on the spur of the moment :-). </p>
<p>Rob</p>
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		<title>Comment on Announcing the Official Broadlook blog &#038; my first repost. by friarminor</title>
		<link>http://www.idonato.com/2008/03/06/announcing-the-official-broadlook-blog-my-first-repost/#comment-341</link>
		<dc:creator>friarminor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Mar 2008 16:19:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Funny, as I am no also tasked with writing for the corporate blog of which seems pretty overwhelming to me that I dread becoming an announcement-bot.  A lot of questions and self-doubt has arisen in me but then again it has been for as far as I can remember.

Wish you luck with the new blog!

alain</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><span class='eg-image' style='float:right; margin-left:10px; display:block; width:80px' ><img src='http://www.gravatar.com/avatar.php?gravatar_id=04474bffcb7f49486f2d1944e7c19439&amp;size=80&amp;rating=G&amp;default=http%3A%2F%2Fuse.perl.org%2Fimages%2Fpix.gif' width='80' height='80' alt='' /></span>Funny, as I am no also tasked with writing for the corporate blog of which seems pretty overwhelming to me that I dread becoming an announcement-bot.  A lot of questions and self-doubt has arisen in me but then again it has been for as far as I can remember.</p>
<p>Wish you luck with the new blog!</p>
<p>alain</p>
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